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Franka wrote:Saren can have Dora, but only if Elenor can have her too. I'll trade you a Saren/Karen for an Elenor/Myrth, even if it'll just be Saren and Karen whispering their names to each other, over and over.

done, myrth is the worst hetero romance for saren

I think the results might be HEAVILY skewed. Because all other women are also GxG so Myrth is missing all the GxG votes which as you can see just by Karen high votes are a lot
My bad for doing the poll that way and too late to change it (would reset all votes and I definitely don't want that)!

jack1974 wrote:I think the results might be HEAVILY skewed. Because all other women are also GxG so Myrth is missing all the GxG votes which as you can see just by Karen high votes are a lot
My bad for doing the poll that way and too late to change it (would reset all votes and I definitely don't want that)!

my statment is not influenced by the poll, i did her romance and in my opnion she is the worst
and my opnion is shared by other guys in this thread, i think there are more woman who wrote that like her romance than guys

No I didn't mean that the poll influenced you, but that Myrth is the only BxG romance. BxG players are usually a lot less interested in voting or simply are less playing this kind of game, see this other poll: viewtopic.php?f=33&t=2805
as you can see, there's a big gap between BxG and GxG so what I meant is that maybe many male player enjoyed Myrth but didn't bother to vote or even visit those forums Personally I liked it, I think most player didn't like the "weak personality", even if for the sake of variety we couldn't have all women have strong personality like Loren, sexy like Chambara, and so on.

jack1974 wrote:No I didn't mean that the poll influenced you, but that Myrth is the only BxG romance. BxG players are usually a lot less interested in voting or simply are less playing this kind of game, see this other poll: viewtopic.php?f=33&t=2805
as you can see, there's a big gap between BxG and GxG so what I meant is that maybe many male player enjoyed Myrth but didn't bother to vote or even visit those forums Personally I liked it, I think most player didn't like the "weak personality", even if for the sake of variety we couldn't have all women have strong personality like Loren, sexy like Chambara, and so on.

i dont think man are less inclined to play loren or Planet Stronghold, in fact i think the split in audience in these games is almost 50%
just because there are more woman in the forum, doenst mean the game sold more to woman
about myrth, i just think she appeal more do GxG fans than to the male audience, and i really think, in the sequel, should have a GxG romance with myrth. Even if its mean one less BxG romance, since Karen think loving a man is a weakness and Breza is a supporter of misandry

and Chambara sexy? i really like her, but this would be the last thing i would think about her

Yes I think too audience is 50%, so how do you explain the abysmal low BxG votes compared to everything else? either they don't care/have time/want to participate in the poll, or a very good amount of males are playing only as female heroine to do GxG (quite possible, I know many women do the opposite and play as male to get the BxB). Still considering everything there's a clear minority of interest for BxG, not just in the forums but from other data sources (sales of games, etc). That's why is very unlikely I'll do a BxG only game ever again (but well that's not a novelty since I am trying to make all new games have lots of variety).

Well, I didn't do the poll because... I really don't care about such things, haha

Erhm, but for what it's worth, I prefer BxG pairings... Just my two cents.

jack1974 wrote:Yes I think too audience is 50%, so how do you explain the abysmal low BxG votes compared to everything else? either they don't care/have time/want to participate in the poll, or a very good amount of males are playing only as female heroine to do GxG (quite possible, I know many women do the opposite and play as male to get the BxB). Still considering everything there's a clear minority of interest for BxG, not just in the forums but from other data sources (sales of games, etc). That's why is very unlikely I'll do a BxG only game ever again (but well that's not a novelty since I am trying to make all new games have lots of variety).

i think its because your other games are aimed to the otome/yuri public, so they will attract more woman
so even if games like loren ans PS have 50%, the others games have a huge majority of feminine audience

Yes that could be a good reason indeed

On Myrth

I actually haven't tried to romance Myrth with Saren (Rei and Myrth are more of the bishounen/bishoujo type characters I prefer to go after in BL and yuri games when it comes to deciding to romance characters on aesthetics alone--which I frequently and unabashedly do --though I did have Elenor romance Rei because I realized he could be pretty cute despite being such a blood knight, haha), but for what it's worth, I thought that Myrth and Saren's friendlier banters whenever I chose "Joking" was some of the best; the way Myrth indulges in Saren's humor every once in a while when most of the characters either ignore it/are confused by it/are irritated by it/are oblivious to it and can be lighthearted with him that way was what I really liked about their interaction.

I probably should play through Saren's romance with Myrth just to see why people weren't as fond of it as others (planning on doing so right now), but I think if people don't like it because their romance has the "beautiful woman looked/chased after by protective young man who thinks everything she does is kind of wondrous" relationship archetype (I might be wrong, just going off what I'm reading by the people who actually voiced a reason and general remembrance of Saren's thoughts about her while non-romanced), it might be that that kind of relationship has been almost too often used in standard fantasy anything (novels, manga, games, comics).

But that makes me wonder: does she have a badass moment in the romance? One of my favorite romance-related parts ever in Loren was staying with the party at the end in Draco's route, since he basically flings himself away from the party to protect everyone whilst trying to avert their minds from worrying about him by being casual about it -- maybe something cool like that might endear people to her. (In fact, during my first playthrough I didn't stay, and doing so in my second playthrough with the route cemented how much I loved Saren and Draco's romance.) Personally I like romances built up on friendship or rivalry (where they grow as friends or rivals before the romance really takes off), or equal relationships (where both depend on each other rather than just one character depending on another), and if, even in unequal relationships, the person who depends on the romancing/romanced character comes to depend on himself/herself at some point, at least. It's not just in romances either; I think that what a lot of people prefer in fiction is the bravery and the success of the bravery of characters, whether they're masculine or feminine or both or neutral. Just my two cents after watching/reading/playing through thousands(?) of romances over the years, if any of that helps.

Anyway, one of my favorite pair of friends was Saren (and along those lines Elenor) and Myrth because of her ability to take a joking Saren in stride (her confronting Saren about Mesphit if you let him die by echoing sentiments passed onto her from Saren that she'd learned and grown from over the course of the game was also a plus), and I don't mean that in a disclaiming "I like them just as friends" way either; I honestly liked their friendship after Myrth became less reserved around Saren, since they were pretty companionable to each other from what I recall (there was one point where joking!Saren and she made light jabs about her vine-attire, although I don't remember exactly what they said right now--like that time Loren came back with a joke of her own to joking!Saren/Elenor, however, it was fun).

On my favorite romance (etc.)

All of THAT being said, It's probably obvious that Draco's romance was my favorite, from my momentary gushing. I just really, really love the "seemingly carefree and comedic--but always loyal and trusting (even when he hides secrets)--best friend who's secretly in love with the MC" type of BxB romance (Lloyd/Zelos type , except Zelos didn't have a crush, probably), but I'm rarely indulged! I was so delighted when I found out I could actually romance him, and promptly did, and wasn't disappointed at all. I've romanced him in 3 playthroughs--practically everything about it hits my "endeared" points, from their warm, growing friendship, to their awkwardness in approaching their crush (Draco)/possible reciprocation (Saren), to Draco's hiding his own insecurities so that he doesn't worry anyone but failing around Saren, to his moment of being badass, to how very sweet it is. I could fangirl on about it, I like it that much; kudos to the writer, yet again. The artist and colorist made his expressions quite adorable, too, for the lack of CGs.

I love warm, glowing friendships, haha. I did say I liked rivalry-to-romance too, though, and I thought that PC/Amukiki's was electrically-charged and made one (i.e. me) eager to follow in Amukiki's route just to see when it would hit its peak and turn to love , which is the highest praise I can think to give about belligerent rivalries turning into concerned romance. Also, Saren and Amukiki's CG was the hottest both written and drawn, imo, after going through a bunch of them.

On Mesphit, despite his being so popular (brooding and passionate bishounen with dark pasts and huge problems take the cake), I think I'm past my days of adoring the "determined MC takes the time to understand and help the broody (and sometimes destructive) possible love interest with a dark past" type of romance...is what I would say if I wasn't totally head-over-heels with Hawke and Fenris' romance in DA2. But that's through the (DA2) friendship route, though; I think one of my problems, despite liking the Mesphit romance nonetheless, was that their romantic encounters were based more on passion, i.e. the protagonist (literally and figuratively) chasing after Mesphit while Mesphit struggled against them (and his demonic side, of course), than a steadily growing warmth and camaraderie in their relationship. That might just be a personal preference, though, since a lot of people obviously like it for exactly that. I wouldn't say no to seeing more camaraderie (since they got through their problems together) along with passion between the MC and Mesphit in the next game, though!

This got quite long (sorry!), so I think I'll leave it at that.