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Re: Loren: The Sequel

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:34 am
by jack1974
The hat is removable, the player can choose what to wear. There's also another hat if I remember correctly, so you can have no hat/helmet and a choice of two hats/helmets. All of this was done mostly because some people wanted customizable characters.
Also, the clothes are less sexy, but I think is better this way. The final romance scenes will be sexy so don't worry (and also I plan to have more CGs through the game with more sexy stuff, both male/females) but honestly I agree with the critiques that in the first game the characters were going around with unbelievable outfits :lol:

Re: Loren: The Sequel

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:59 am
by Sauzer
Ah OK. That's a good idea, customizable clothes.

About Eleonor, I don't like the new clothes. She looks too much innocent, wearing that it seems that she wants to play with unicorns than fight a furious battle against monsters (just my opinion).

Re: Loren: The Sequel

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:12 am
by jack1974
Hmm well, what about Draco outfit then, doesn't seem that much different from Elenor but he can kick asses :lol: of course I assume that by "innocent" you don't mean that someone who wants to fight a furious battle against monsters must be dressed sexy :mrgreen: I think is a nice wizard outfit, more like could be the pose. The Warrior/Thief looks more "angry" if that's what you mean :)

Re: Loren: The Sequel

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:25 am
by Sauzer
Of course the women on videogames fighting monsters must be dressed sexy! Look at Lara Croft! Ha ha! They sell a lot of Lara Croft and make movies with Angelina Jolie. The sexy girls sells videogames, everyone knows that.

Anyway I really don't like the pointy hat of "I'm a nice witch so stop attacking me". But luckily is removable, of course.

I suposse I played too much on the Playstation 3 and PC +18 games. I miss blood, scares, serious looks. Well, never mind. :)

Re: Loren: The Sequel

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:43 am
by 4LeafClover
Sure I agree in the first game, the clothes were unbelievable for purpose of offering protection. But they were easy on the eyes. The characters were good to look at, both males and females. The graphics was what caught my attention to come to winter wolves and see what it was about. The gameplay and story came afterwards. The whole graphic style helps set the style and fashion sense of the characters in Loren. When I saw the pic of Mage outfit, my first impression was "This is not Loren." One major difference is the clothes of course. The clothes make the man / woman. And the new Elenor with that outfit looks like a schoolgirl dressed for Halloween.

Re: Loren: The Sequel

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:56 am
by jack1974
Well not just for the purpose of offering protection. They were unbelievable at all :lol: I mean, Myrth: OK she's a forest druid dressed as a bush. That makes sense, is a fantasy game. But Elenor and Saren, apart the protection thing, looked like strippers that somehow stumbled into a fantasy story, totally out of place, the characters were really too much undressed. You can undress while making love of course :wink: but not even here in the very open Europe I've ever seen people going around half-naked like in the first game unless they were on a beach.
I think it damaged the impression of the game: many people thought it was "just a porn game" and didn't even bother to download the demo (I got a ton of comments like that). On the other hand, I know that many people were attracted by the eye candy as you say, but a lot more were probably scared away.

Now if you saw all my various posts here, you know that I'm ALL FOR THE FANSERVICE (both of males/females) but I need to eat too. I really think that a game like Loren should have been reviewed by big sites like RPS, Kotaku and many other sites. It should be on Steam or GoG, and easily (I am not bragging, I saw what other games made it). I spoke with many people, other indies and some reviewers and everyone agreed on one thing: the "hentai look" really damaged the game in a very big way, so now I'm trying to change direction a bit and see what happens. If things don't improve or the sequel gets even less attention/sales, I'll be the first to get back to the old look, don't worry!! :)

A final note, don't think that the romance CG are made of fully dressed men/women of course :lol: there's a more conservative version, but there's a more hot version as well!

Re: Loren: The Sequel

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:22 am
by gino
I agree with the line you're taking.
Personally I find that the worst thing you can do in a game is give the impression that ALL man or women are horny. There can be some, like Chambara. That's fine, is like what happens in real life no? But when everyoen behaves "sexy", I think becomes unrealistic and can damage the game.
If you make it so that the character clothes are sexy but not excessive, but the romance are sexy, I see no problem. I also like if there can be some sexy romance images. You mentioned Mesphit bathing in a lake. Or it could be Elenor getting injured or falling into a bush, so that her clothes are ripped off. Those are beliveable scenes, since you bathe naked of course :lol: and Elenor was an accident, she didn't choose herself to go around half naked.

I believe what you say about public's reaction, I remember a thread on RPS forums where everyone was dismissing teh game just looking at the screenshots. That must have been really humiliating foryou! I can imagine wasting months to do the game play of a game and then being quickly dismissed as "an eroge". I would have been very angry if I was you.

Re: Loren: The Sequel

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:18 pm
by 4LeafClover
Just to share ... I first saw the game on an indie game review site, forgot which one. And yeah the picture of Loren they used which was the covered up one, it gave me the anime, hentai, cartoony impression. And I usually go for the more serious RPGs such as Baldur's Gate, not hentai sim games. But I had wanted to support indie developers. That is how the indie's stay indie, with our support!

So I came over and give it a look. And yeah I also went to see the Loren Steam Greenlight page where comments were like "This is full of fan service. It's bad." I actually do not know what fan service is but I think I have an idea. People there were saying Loren is bad game, do not buy it. But a game from a one-man creator … the guy's got to eat too. (yes I totally understand that, you got to connect with your potential customers). imo Myrth is the most under-dressed one, but it makes sense. She is wearing nature. Elenor she is not a stripper. She is a slave so wearing clothes with holes in them also makes sense. It's like the warriors in Xena, they got amazons there too and they fight the Gods.

But ... well what can I say except I understand 'cos I have seen the negative comments, and if those people have played the demo, I believe they will be not be so quick to dismiss it. I hope the story will be better than the first one, and more developed. If you are not going to 'develop' the 'art', perhaps we can get more background story, more lines of writing. I like to read engrossing stuff too, not just look at pretty pictures.

Final note: Sexy is good. Both the guys and the girls want to look sexy, attractive :)

Re: Loren: The Sequel

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:32 pm
by jack1974
Thanks, and don't worry, there will be sexy stuff/scenes! Just as gino said, not everyone will look like is taking sunbath or being horny. It was also a bit ridiculous early in the game when they were traveling up to Mount Kronos... no way a human being (or an half elf) could bear that cold being semi-naked like that :lol:

So in summary, all I want is not give to the newcomers the first (wrong) impression that the game is just about the sexyness. So that's the decision to use more conservative clothes to begin with, then when the players instead of judging the game only from the art will actually bother to try it and read the great Aleema writing and experience the interesting (at least I hope) RPG design by me and coded by Anima, then hop! if he/she wants there will be some OPTIONAL sexy scenes later in the game (I mean beside the romance CG) so everyone will be happy 8)

Re: Loren: The Sequel

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:35 pm
by 4LeafClover
Since we have customizble clothes, can we have sexy clothes? So we get to make it optional if we wish to have the old degree of sexiness in our storylines?