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Today got an answer, and even if I can put an age gate without a rating, Valve still won't publish the uncensored Loren version on Steam.
Note that while I'm a bit surprised, I'm OK with it - I just find a bit funny, since there are game like the witcher3 who show ANIMATED full nudity vs the static "artistic nudes" of Loren
I also find a bit weird that they let stay a game where you massacre innocent civilians like Hatred, while female nipples, male butts! HORROR! they must not be shown!

I guess I am not big enough!

Yeah, the inconsistency with our restrictions is pretty annoying. Probably helps to have a lot of press on your side too. (There was an article this week about Apple reversing course and allowing a game with nudity on the app store - that TSA scanner game.)

Talking with a journalist, it seems that there are others VN with nudity!! I am asking more info, because if that's the case they should give me some explanations...!
Of course for obvious reasons I don't want to start a fight with them, just want to know the reasons

I was thinking, is it a must to directly mention this to valve? Perhaps, a too forthright of a description might make them assume that this is a porn VN, as people who aren't familiar with VN genres tend to usually believe they are all explicit stuff. Just put the full uncensored game version behind an age gate. It should suffice, as your VNs are really games with romance added. They aren't even anywhere near the hentai genre. Likely a risky move though!

I told them, though to be completely honest, I don't really CARE too much: I mean I hope people liked Loren not just for the ending images!! I think the "censored" versions with the clothes are very nice as well. I'm neutral to this, is only that I don't like to disappoint the fans (I said that would put the uncensored version there) so I'm unhappy only for that

jack1974 wrote:I told them, though to be completely honest, I don't really CARE too much: I mean I hope people liked Loren not just for the ending images!! I think the "censored" versions with the clothes are very nice as well. I'm neutral to this, is only that I don't like to disappoint the fans (I said that would put the uncensored version there) so I'm unhappy only for that

I think most people who are fans of visual novels and independent games know how inconsistent Valve is about everything. So, I think your fans who have asked for this will understand. I agree that Valve makes many of their policies to account for expected sales first - and ultra popular games can get away with much more.

Hypocrisy, always with the Hypocrisy... It's not a big deal but its still wrong.

OK someone posted about it on reddit!! ROFL
http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/ ... y/20141218

made a fuss
Anyway I've read a bit the discussion (not everything since is too much!!) and I discovered the real issue: in other games who had age gate but no official rating, there was nudity but with the "hot spots" always covered (nipples, pubic area). I thought that to get the 18+ they showed REAL nudity!!! that was the main misunderstanding I had. Now I understand completely. SOTW will have 14+ age gate because never shows pubic area or nipples (well, male ones but that's OK! lol).

jack1974 wrote: Anyway I've read a bit the discussion (not everything since is too much!!) and I discovered the real issue: in other games who had age gate but no official rating, there was nudity but with the "hot spots" always covered (nipples, pubic area). I thought that to get the 18+ they showed REAL nudity!!! that was the main misunderstanding I had. Now I understand completely. SOTW will have 14+ age gate because never shows pubic area or nipples (well, male ones but that's OK! lol).

Does this mean that a image with nipple tweezers would be okay if they cover them properly?

Sorry, but all this ludicrous (female) nippleophobia ... I don't even...

If tweezer is what I think it is (not sure) yes, I remember in some movie there were strippers with some plastic stuff put on the nipples, even if they were not wearing any bra or anything
Everything seems a bit ridiculous from here (the not prudish Europe! haha). Here is normal to see nude male/females in ads/commercials