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Posted: **Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:39 am**

Umm... I got him to a point where his SP ran out completely. 0. Then he was dead. o.O That was way quicker than I thought. EDITing more info here in a bit.

EDIT: This is towards the end of the fight. He has 0 SP, so all he does now is defend... He's SP gain is dependent on skills he uses, he doesn't have SP regen like the other one. Is this a mistake? OR maybe he should check for his SP before he uses a skill that will deplete it completely?

Spoiler:

EDIT: Thank you for sharing that file! Never had a chance to go at him with druid before.

Posted: **Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:01 am**

Are you sure SP is dependent on skills? Seems to be a flat 15/turn when I fight him.

I didn't take Dirty Tricks because I took Attacker last level (which seems to be pretty powerful) and earlier in the game I had SP issues on Vaelis so I didn't think I could keep it up. I do think it's silly that Stances can be dispelled, but that's another story. Actually, is it a bug that Dirty Tricks isn't dispelled? Charissa's Adrenaline and Krimm's Rage/Ralkor's Blood are all certainly dispell-able.

I haven't really used offensive potions much because I have skills that do the same thing, but I suppose the potions have the advantage of a really short delay.

Posted: **Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:04 am**

Interesting. The Regen box says 0 to me. And once his pool went to 0, it stayed there. o.O This is the first time ever fighting against him, though, where I see his SP stuck on 0.

EDIT... Digging out my previous fight saves against him and Jul... (flippingHourGlass)...

...OKay I digged out those previous saves and he really does have 15 on all of them.... He must've bugged out. This is not the first time that I've seen his SP gone 0, though. Hmm...
I'mma fight him a again in a bit.

I don't know if Dirty Tricks was supposed to be dispell-able, but it does use 10SP per/turn regardless if you stand paralyzed or if your power is reduced away by madness.. whereas Rage gives you SP even when you're hit and Ralkor's Blood HP+Speed.

Posted: **Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:08 am**

That's strange. On both 0.9.5 and 0.9.6 that save and my other Deceit save say HP Regen 25, SP Regen 15. Even when he doesn't open with Mass Paralyze.

Maybe one of your potions bugged his regen? If I could keep his SP at 0 then I'd have a much easier time.

Posted: **Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:17 am**

Potions have the advantage of short delay, especially in case of Jariel, because his offensive songs are so slooooow. However, the effect of the potions last for a shorter while and if the character throwing them has debuffs such as Stagger/MAdness on them, then I've seen that it's really hard to hit with those potions, whereas the enemy seems to be less likely to dodge the skill (that can happen too, though)

Posted: **Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:28 am**

Troyen wrote:That's strange. On both 0.9.5 and 0.9.6 that save and my other Deceit save say HP Regen 25, SP Regen 15. Even when he doesn't open with Mass Paralyze.

Maybe one of your potions bugged his regen? If I could keep his SP at 0 then I'd have a much easier time.

I think I have a suspect for this. Just need to duplicate it. I think the Curse Of Khalaman makes the SP regen to go to 0 temporarily (that's what I *think* just saw, anyway), but this corrects itself if he has enough SP pool left and he can use a skill on the next turn (I just saw the SP regen go to 0 and then back to 15). I *might* have hit a rare occasion when I was testing your save just before, where he uses the curse but has 0 SP after that and that's why he got stuck...

EDIT: SP regen went to 0 also after bite.... <.< And now it's back to 15.... MAybe this is a display bug?

EDIT2: What I think I've seen now, is that
a)Certain skills that he uses make the SPregen box at least display 0. Maybe even make it 0.
b)Certain skills will "reset" that SPregen box to 15.
c)He can gain SP from staggered fighters with soulbound
d)It is possible that I got him in that fight in a situation where he had 0 SP, he's SP regen was set to 0 and none of my fighters were staggered. At which point he was as good as paralyzed. <.<
(Note that when I've been testing him previously with my Hunter party, I've seen the SPregen at 0, but never before have I had him completely run out of mana nor seen him hit Defend before.)

Sending Jack a save with 0 in the SPregen box...if that'll be of any help.

EDIT3: Inflict Confusion on him and his SPregen box will go to 0. Either with Riley's skill of with a potion. Doesn't still fully explain all what I think I've seen, though...

EDIT4: So I don't know what was going on with those skills earlier. Forget about it at this point (hence the tiny font)... Tested a bit more... Now the only time I see the SPregen go to 0 is when he has confusion on him.

Spoiler:

I guess the main question now is... is Confusion supposed to meddle with SP regen? The description only talks about magic value reduced by 25% (that's why I've used it on Deceit, his chain lighting is less devastating with confusion on)

Posted: **Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:24 pm**

Yes has something to do with confusion, I think I saw it too a few times. Confusion should lower target magic, so I need to check if it's somehow linked to that. Maybe is one of the 1509 billion changes I did to the framework but I forgot about it

Posted: **Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:41 pm**

Haha voilà:

Code: Select all

    class ConfusedEffect(DebuffEffect):
        cName = "Confused"
        cDuration = 3
        cValues = {"Magic":0.75,"SPRegen":0.0}

ROFL, I completely forgot about that! well is an easy change though, at least. Thanks for finding out!

Posted: **Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:26 pm**

Troyen, since the verdict was that Confused is currently bugged = too powerful to use right now, I tried to win the fight with your party and without Confusing him at all. Doesn't look too promising....Because:

Spoiler:

Posted: **Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:33 pm**

I was waiting to see if there are more bugs before doing an update

but worse case will do one this weekend.

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