Cursed Lands version 0.8.9

[myoksy]

> here isn't much I could do to solve that issue
are you sure? I think at least one of your games had 2 turns as lower limit for all shut-down skills/levels

> except that with bosses the paralyze trick doesn't work
that's always a solution (and a cheap way out : P)

[Franka]

Another thing. I tried the act 2 end fight both by killing all 5 waves or by making all lieutenants flee. Either way, Z&V give me items for defeating the lieutenants. Technically, I haven't even met them yet if I just fight off all the undead hordes.

[myoksy]

the end of act one is similar - even if the PC let them flee V* gives out the goodies, and the narrative is "oh, how I loved to hear <bla> die painfully". so I think this should be okay for the second chapter

*) she has a companion? who's Z?

[Franka]

the end of act one is similar - even if the PC let them flee V* gives out the goodies

Yes, but you can choose to just make one of them flee then escape yourself, and you only get a reward for that one. In the second act you can get rewards for all of them without so much as meeting them.

[jack1974]

I'd think you'd know better after I broke all those timed fights in SotW.... Players will ALWAYS find a way to kill your stuff instantly.

Good point

> here isn't much I could do to solve that issue
are you sure? I think at least one of your games had 2 turns as lower limit for all shut-down skills/levels

It might be, I don't remember now But I think even 2 turns on a boss enemy would be too much maybe. I remember in Loren (or was SOTW?) paralyze didn't work at all on bosses and even the skill description said something like "doesn't work on boss enemies"

Yes, but you can choose to just make one of them flee then escape yourself, and you only get a reward for that one. In the second act you can get rewards for all of them without so much as meeting them.

Well: it's correct that you get the item even if you only make them escape (not necessarily kill them). However from what you say, it seems that at end of act 2 you got items for vampires you defeated at end of act1? If so, then that's wrong and if you had a save before that scene happens would be useful
In practice I made two lists: in one I add the vampires "defeated" (killed or just made flee away) and then I check. Then on end of act2 I have another list that should count only the vampires defeated during the battle of Grimoire, not the ones before. I checked the code again and I don't understand how this could happen since I store the values on two different variables

[Franka]

Well: it's correct that you get the item even if you only make them escape (not necessarily kill them). However from what you say, it seems that at end of act 2 you got items for vampires you defeated at end of act1? If so, then that's wrong and if you had a save before that scene happens would be useful
In practice I made two lists: in one I add the vampires "defeated" (killed or just made flee away) and then I check. Then on end of act2 I have another list that should count only the vampires defeated during the battle of Grimoire, not the ones before. I checked the code again and I don't understand how this could happen since I store the values on two different variables

No, no. I only kill/social 1 vampire lieutenant at the end of act 1. In act 2, I don't kill/social ANY vampire lieutenant, I just kill 5 hordes of undead to end the battle. Z&V then show up afterwards, tell me I dealt with remaining 3 vampire lieutenants (using their names, which I've never heard before), and give me loot.

Act 2 battle can be won either by just killing minions, just "killing" lieutenants, or a mix of both. But I'm given rewards for the lieutenants whether I "kill" them or not.

[jack1974]

Yeah that's a problem then
However I just tried here to kill only undead waves and the vampires didn't visit me afterwards (correctly). So if you have a save before the battle or even before the vampires visit you, I'd like to see it. I'm not sure how that could happen to be honest

[Franka]

Hmm, you're right, I can't replicate it, it looks like I got my save games mixed up. Strange, I was sure that happened the first time, but it looks like all is well!

[Franka]

Ahh, I know what happened. I didn't finish the game the first time around because of the Hersilia is already dead bug, so I went back and on the second run kiled the lieutenants.

[myoksy]

the skill description said something like "doesn't work on boss enemies"

iirc this was true in your older RPGs for many special skills - and I didn't like it that much, as it's such an artificial restriction without a real in-game explanation.

next to removing all shut down skills in Future RPG(tm) [I believe I already mentioned this sometime?] another option could be redefining paralyse, with a mechanic similar to older variants of counter attack: The skill works for a number of turns as power off, but additionally every attack removes one point of the effect. This could solve the current problem with chains/pinning/shield bash/whatever: While the effect is on the char is a free-for-all crash test dummy. When attacks remove the effect it would work as a temporary truce and does not act only when not attacked.