Franka
Mar 06, 2018
I'm joking as usual but it's clear what I mean, if we consider that the most popular thing of Bioware games (both Dragon Age and Mass Effect series) wasn't the gameplay, but the story/romances...seems clear to me what many people want 
Ahh, I'm not sure you're right about that being the MOST popular thing in Bioware games, for some people sure, but it's not like Bioware games have BAD gameplay, and there's plenty of gameplay discussions going on.
Is the bonus episode for Before the Storm included in the regular game, or do you need a deluxe edition or something?
jack1974
Mar 06, 2018
Hehe maybe not the single most popular thing, but on par with gameplay I think!
For the bonus episode I think you need deluxe version or something, I'm almost sure of that (you can buy the upgrade on Steam though). It's very short,there are no real surprises, but was great IMHO.
Franka
Mar 06, 2018
Yah, too expensive if that's all I'd be getting the deluxe edition for, sadly.
Sylrissa
Mar 06, 2018
I've been playing lots of Monster hunter world with my partner, and also quite enjoying Into the Breach, I loved their previous game FTL, and so far this one has me hooked as well.
jack1974
Aug 31, 2019
So I got the new title from the creators of Until Dawn... and sadly it's not up to the predecessor

In my case though, the story (what I did so far) wasn't "terrible", and there were some nice characters (Julia is hot!

) but the main problem are the controls that are... UGH!! I requested a refund and it's my 4th title on Steam to be refunded!

I reached the point in which you must explore the boat to escape and I was running in circles for 10 minutes with totally bad controls and it was super frustrating so I decided to give up with it.
jack1974
Sep 01, 2019
Yes indeed! I bought this one instantly, but then it was really one of the few times when I took advantage of Steam refund, and didn't happen often

Sometimes I really don't get AAA devs. I mean, why make such a TERRIBLE control system!? almost fixed camera from weird angles, just walking from a room to another was a huge pain in the ass and it didn't add anything.
A pity because as I said, both story and character were good, that wasn't an issue for me (of course I don't know the whole story since I didn't finish it).
But Until Dawn was a 10 for me, this one is barely a 5

Franka
Sep 08, 2019
Yesterday I visited a friend of mine who had Man of Medan, and we played through it in an afternoon (yeah, that's all it took). Just sharing a controller for different characters, not true coop.
You weren't kidding about the camera angles and the controls. Yikes! Not helping that all the corridors in the ship looked identical, we often found ourselves walking back the way we came...
Bad story, I guessed the "twist" almost immediately (no spoiler though), didn't like any of the characters. The most fun we had was predicting the jump scares and reading the lines in funny voices.
In the end, all 5 of our main characters survived! I couldn't believe it, considering how easy it was for people to die in Until Dawn. Looking over the secret list, we were missing several, but thought we'd been pretty thorough. Found a guide online, and it turns out there's a handful of secrets that can only be found by playing online coop. That's the worst thing I've ever heard, scenes simply cut out of single player, so you can't possibly unlock everything unless you play online.
There's no way in hell I'm getting this game for myself, I punched that ignore button hard when I got home.
jack1974
Sep 08, 2019
Haha wow. I am glad I requested the refund then, since your full experience seemed even worse.
Sad thing is that their previous game is not available on PC, so maybe now they'll erroneously think that "PC is not good for those kind of games". I really hope not, because I'd like to see more games like that, done better of course

jack1974
Oct 11, 2019
Ah yes I saw that one! Though not really competition... that company probably has at least 10 full time employees and a slightly higher budged than my games!!

(I mean of course it's a game similar to mine but I can't ever hope to compete with such levels!)
Franka
Oct 12, 2019
Well, competition for the same customers, if not a direct competition of overall quality. They did also run a Kickstarter to fund the game, which I imagine was necessary for the full voice acting (SO MANY LINES!).
Still, that's no guarantee that the final game will turn out so amazing, and they're quickly getting rid of bugs too. In any case, a fantastic OEVN! I recommend.
SerTabris
Oct 26, 2019
Possibly not all of the same customers, either: I looked at it and concluded that you couldn't play as a woman so I wasn't interested. (There are enough visual novels out there that have F/F options that I don't tend to consider romance ones that don't without a very strong recommendation.)
Jaeger
Jan 03, 2020
I wanted to play a visual novel as change of pace, and
https://pillowfight.itch.io/ghosts-of-miami, caught my eye. The colorful art is deceptive, since the story has some dark themes, with a few romance options to add some levity. I enjoyed the first play through, but replaying can be a chore due to the lack of QoL features like multiple save slots and and ability fast forward previously read text. However, due to stubbornness on my part, I played through all romance routes and got the true ending.
Franka
Jan 03, 2020
I remember Ghosts of Miami as pretty cute, darker than expected and having poor quality of life implementation. It has yuri romance though, so big plus there.

jack1974
Jan 03, 2020
When in doubt, just add yuri (tm)

jack1974
Feb 25, 2020
I am NOT playing this:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/817840/Max_Gentlemen_Sexy_Business/
but only because I don't have time, but it's a perfect example of what I mean when I say that I want to mix VN with gameplay stuff. Though in this case I suspect it's more dating sim and the texts amounts are small. Eventually I'll get to play it but just looking at the trailer made me curious.
Franka
Feb 25, 2020
I am NOT playing this: https://store.steampowered.com/app/817840/Max_Gentlemen_Sexy_Business/
but only because I don't have time, but it's a perfect example of what I mean when I say that I want to mix VN with gameplay stuff. Though in this case I suspect it's more dating sim and the texts amounts are small. Eventually I'll get to play it but just looking at the trailer made me curious.
I kickstarted it, I will be playing at some point.
jack1974
Feb 27, 2020
Yes I saw that! Looks really interesting, and I agree that 1-bit art works well. Maybe even 8-bit art would work :D