Squished Deceit on second try at NM-level, yeah. Haven't tried Jul yet. He's harder to beat now, sure, but the difficulty seems to depend a lot on how he starts the fight. I have only one "real" dmg-spellcaster in the party = Rowinda. Riley's magic cripples enemies, Rowinda's destroys... Considering this: on my second try Deceit started up with "Ward" as his first skill. Ummm. No. No sense, my dear demon sir. On my first try, he started by paralyzing my backrow. I thought I'd have to do multiple trials like I did with Yeldin to find a strategy, but no, thanks to his "Ward"



I'd still say that the difficulty is fine for NM-level in general. But that's in general....if he's supposed to be the most difficult fight in the game, almost verging to impossible...then no. If he doesn't start aggressive with my build and especially if I'd leveled up a bit more before I went to see him, then I'd say that so far Yeldin has clearly been more trouble. (= it means that it took longer to finally find a strategy against him that I could beat him with. Plus, I can't grind up levels in act 2 like I can in act 3.) When compared to other bosses in Act3, I'd say that he's definitely the hardest, but...one has to remember that the other bosses have helpers and unless you take shortcuts, or regendance yourself dizzy, you don't have full health when you start the fight with some of them. To this guy you can go totally rested up.



You could save yourself from some "balancing headache, and very well turn him into "an impossible" enemy. *)Then you wouldn't have to care about balancing this guy between easy/normal <=> hard/difficult levels. Just "balance him" to be nightmare on normal, lol, to heck with HARD/NM. He's actually not needed to complete the game, he just gives "an extra ending." So he's not like, eg Yeldin whom you really need to squish to be able to progress. How much would it hurt the sales, really, to make him "impossible" for HARD/NM levels**) and "nightmare but barely doable" for EASY/NORMAL? Just point out more clearly in the quest description that it's not needed to succeed in this to be able to finish the game, this is just for a different ending.



*)Or would you be emailed to death with complaints if you did that?...then maybe not...

**)NM-players are crazy enough to find a way to beat him in the end, anyway.



Anyway, off to squish the other one.





EDIT: Dead quicker than Deceit, Althea finished her off with 288 hit.

Yes some good points in particular:

- he's alone while Yeldin summons his mirror images

- you can be fully rested against him

- always using mass paralyze on first run is possible, will do that now

Chatting with fabula by email, we agreed the main problem are the potions. If you stock up in potions, in particular bombs, you can defeat almost any enemy. It's OK, but when the enemy paralyzes you, and you're still able to throw a bomb...

So I'm experimenting with allowing only the healing potions to be usable while you're paralyzed. So the bombs or manticore poison wouldn't work. I think is OK, since is not really common to be paralyzed (except in Deceit fight but you still have moments in which you can act).

I already have him roflstomped in my head. Just wait till I get there.

Will upload an update shortly. Both Deceit/Jul fights were "approved by fabula" (tm) it means is possible to win of course but is a very tough fight!

I'd still say that the difficulty is fine for NM-level in general. But that's in general....if he's supposed to be the most difficult fight in the game, almost verging to impossible...then no. If he doesn't start aggressive with my build and especially if I'd leveled up a bit more before I went to see him, then I'd say that so far Yeldin has clearly been more trouble. (= it means that it took longer to finally find a strategy against him that I could beat him with. Plus, I can't grind up levels in act 2 like I can in act 3.) When compared to other bosses in Act3, I'd say that he's definitely the hardest, but...one has to remember that the other bosses have helpers and unless you take shortcuts, or regendance yourself dizzy, you don't have full health when you start the fight with some of them. To this guy you can go totally rested up.



EDIT: Dead quicker than Deceit, Althea finished her off with 288 hit.

Out of curiosity, what class is Althea? From earlier comments, I'm guessing hunter.

Out of curiosity, what class is Althea? From earlier comments, I'm guessing hunter.

You guessed right. My Althea is almost always Hunter. Unless I play without a Hunter (doesn't happen often ), then she's most likely a Druid. Since the twins have equal capabilities fighting-wise, I'm so shallow that I choose these classes based on how I like the outfits:

Althea Hunter >>>>>>>>>>> Shea Hunter

Shea Ranger >>> Althea Ranger

Althea Druid ≈ Shea Druid

Now I want to see opinions of people trying to defeat Deceit/Jul with Ranger/Druid or Druid/Thief...

I left my Ranger out of that fight altogether.

I was asking so we see how a non-Hunter combo stacks up. My party is Ranger/Druid, and I should be approaching her sometime, but since I haven't beaten the act yet, I don't know exactly when.

Beware, because

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that was an extra quest/fight added at last minute when a riot exploded in forums as I announced that Chalassa (the GxG romance) wouldn't have a happy end. So that battle triggers ONLY if you play as Althea main character. Is an optional fight, and I have already some very powerful fights in act4 too.

Wait, you're implying people would play as Shea?

The Lich Lord's back row mages have like 60 magic. They don't really hurt.

Wait, you're implying people would play as Shea?

Apparently, some people do!!

The Lich Lord's back row mages have like 60 magic. They don't really hurt.

Will boost them up, probably forgot to do it



edit: oops they were still the "old version" of skeleton mages and not the skeleton mage v.2.0!

I've also added an archer in back row to make that battle tougher, since is supposed to be tough (and is optional)

Wait, you're implying people would play as Shea?

Althea is my #1 option, but I play both. Shea is worth it. At least up to end of Act 3, SheaxRiley is the best romance. In my opinion, of course. I gotta see that original AltheaxChas ending, though.

When I saw the bathhouse romance preview I rolled Shea because Krimm's rack > Chalassa's.

But Althea's > Shea's...

I thought size didn't matter.



But fine, if you wanna go that way..



Vaelis' ears > Shea's ears

I'm going to do my contribute too:

Riley's hair > Jariel's hair!



Jokes apart I got the final ending CGs (tied to the romances but also to one choice) and they're beautiful

Might not be playing much anymore, burnout reason already explained and there's a trio of much anticipated RPG's to be released before the year is over. But I just wanted to share what I had in mind for Deceit, since you mentioned him always paralyzing the back row on his first turn: Put the druid in the front row and use Purification. Vaelis can do the same with Rally. Profit?