What I got from Chambara was that she is a power hungry, manipulative control freak. Even when she is bested, she still has to make a remark to make it seem like that was actually the outcome she was aiming for. In the few instances where her control slips, she is embarrassed, and if she doesn't immediately regain control, angry.



Chambara's interest in the MC starts off as controlling for the sake of being in control. When Chambara discovers the power that the MC has, she needs to control that power, by further controlling, subjugating even, the MC. She uses the means she has, which are mainly sexual. She probably has a history of using that tactic successfully, but that's pure speculation. If, along the way, she comes to actually care, that is mostly accidental (but interesting, to see what moral dilemmas that can lead to). MC is being strung along, depending on whether you pursue the romance, successfully or not.



As such, the whole dom/sub thing is much more literal here than in a regular relationship, because Chambara has an agenda. This is not (just) for kicks and kinks. It's not a game, it's Chambara gaining control over MC's power through a sex ploy. It's actually very creepy, but then Chambara is just intelligent enough to entice us anyway, because she is good at being genuinely likeable in a smart-alecky way.

Few questions/comments have come to mind:

1. I know it makes more writing but can one of the "bi" characters have different romances stories this time? Or are the carry over stories different depending on who you play as i.e Playing as Saren the ending with Chambara was different to the ending with Elenor.

Oh dear me that took ages to read all that



Poor Saren he had the same relationship with Chambara too after all



Few questions/comments have come to mind:

1. I know it makes more writing but can one of the "bi" characters have different romances stories this time? Or are the carry over stories different depending on who you play as i.e Playing as Saren the ending with Chambara was different to the ending with Elenor.

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2. Will the "Amazon Prince" be in this game (to some degree) or mentioned/born?

I'm gonna try tying this whole thing in the same post, because we both got some new info (Word of God ) and because judging by your last posts we seem to be mostly in agreement over Chambara.

I'm not convinced of this. She wasn't born human, and to an alien creature human emotion would just as likely seem fickle and illusory as real and enduring.



Jul is not Chambara. Chambara is still human, and has completely human emotions.

Again, a difference in perception here. I don't see fully sentient beings as something other to humans, even if they're demons. They might have different morals, or be saddled with a need to kill, or have a very dfferent perception of the world, but they'd still have emotions like any other being.

I never meant to make it seem like I thought Jul was the same as Chambara (even though I still think we can draw a few parallels) and I don't think she's 'nice deep down but hiding it'. But when I reread my posts now I can see why you got this impression.

My thoughts were more about her romace path and the way I think she could connect with someone 'one-on-one', not her world view. I honestly don't think she cares much at all about others' wellbeing, I see her more a a chaotic neutral, and I don't think that will ever change, even if she ends up in a relationship with the protagonist.

You're making a lot of assumptions here.

Oh yeah, I'm pulling most of this out of thin air I'm a writer, i get carried away. I know it may very well not be true, and it probably isn't, but it's interesting to talk about, at least to me.

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but the gist of your argument seems to be that like vampires these days, demons are just another misunderstood and persecuted minority. They're just people with cool powers and slightly different dietary requirements. Treat them with love and many of them will become loving beings.

Not quite. I thought the baser demons(the earth and water demons and the creepy purple thing that has devour ability) had an urge to feed off of the other races (like an animal instict), and these two parties were locked in a war for so long that there was no going back. What colored them evil was our perception of them, because we were being attacked. And to their eyes we're just prey with really large teeth.

I thought the demons higher up the evolution chain (like Jul), were the same as humans in a way - some evil, some douches, some not - but they're not born wrong. They're still sentient, have a choice of action, so if they choose to kill then they're accountable.

I was just thinking about what it'd be like to be born into that sort of company and what effect it might have.

I think it very likely that Jul needs to see such a connection in action over an extended period of time before she'll realize it's something solid that she wants for herself enough to try and change her behavior. I strongly suspect that this won't happen until she becomes the protagonist's prisoner in Loren 2 and has the opportunity to observe party interactions for awhile. At least this is how I'd probably approach writing it were the task mine. I grant that it's not the only possibility however, and Aleema may well decide to go with something else.

*Nods head* I thougth she might have felt a - maybe not a need before for this sort of thing - but an inkling for it. I don't think it would be a conscious thought however, more like something buried and forgotten, but your way seems likely, too. It's Aleema's call.

Nope, I cna't do it in one post

I'm not sure if you consider cats and dogs sentient, I certainly do. They have the ability to feel, to perceive the world around them, and they are conscious. Furthermore I've encountered a few cats and dogs that strike me as more intelligent than some of the people I've known. It's a real pity they can't talk.

I'm not sure if you consider cats and dogs sentient, I certainly do. They have the ability to feel, to perceive the world around them, and they are conscious. Furthermore I've encountered a few cats and dogs that strike me as more intelligent than some of the people I've known. It's a real pity they can't talk. Nevertheless there is a reason why housecats don't exceed 20lbs or so while dogs can approach 200. It would be highly dangerous to keep a 200lb mountain lion or even a 60lb lynx in one's home. Forget about a 600lb Siberian tiger. Felines have very strong predatory instincts that are still capable of triggering, regardless of how much they love you. Look at what happened to the famed tiger trainer Roy Horne. A demon would be even worse, felines at least don't have an instinct to murder, only to hunt and pounce on things smaller, or lower, than they are. Nevertheless plenty of otherwise sweet housecats figure out the killing part and learn to enjoy supplementing their diet of cat food with the even tastier fresh meat that they catch and kill themselves.

I'm not sure if you consider cats and dogs sentient, I certainly do. They have the ability to feel, to perceive the world around them, and they are conscious. Furthermore I've encountered a few cats and dogs that strike me as more intelligent than some of the people I've known. It's a real pity they can't talk. Nevertheless there is a reason why housecats don't exceed 20lbs or so while dogs can approach 200. It would be highly dangerous to keep a 200lb mountain lion or even a 60lb lynx in one's home. Forget about a 600lb Siberian tiger. Felines have very strong predatory instincts that are still capable of triggering, regardless of how much they love you. Look at what happened to the famed tiger trainer Roy Horne. A demon would be even worse, felines at least don't have an instinct to murder, only to hunt and pounce on things smaller, or lower, than they are. Nevertheless plenty of otherwise sweet housecats figure out the killing part and learn to enjoy supplementing their diet of cat food with the even tastier fresh meat that they catch and kill themselves.

I may have worded that poorly , but I thought my point still got through - that the higher demons would be similar to humans in therms of cognition, self awareness. But I guess it doesn't matter now, my fire for debate has dimmed somewhat during Easter XD. We'll see how Aleema handles stuff .

Btw, I forgot to thank you for the lovely mental image of Jul turning into an incubus then impregnating women with demon seed,brrrr. Now there's a tidbit of demon lore I never wanted to know, ever. Unless I scrub my brain in the meantime, I'm gonna be side eying her the whole time when the game comes out. So yeah, thank you soo much

Awww, Jul needs some serious comforting!

Awww, Jul needs some serious comforting!

Is this before or after you unchain her?

I'll share my thoughts on Chambara, as I experienced her, but I'm not going to get into a long discussion here, no time for that.



What I got from Chambara was that she is a power hungry, manipulative control freak. Even when she is bested, she still has to make a remark to make it seem like that was actually the outcome she was aiming for. In the few instances where her control slips, she is embarrassed, and if she doesn't immediately regain control, angry.



Chambara's interest in the MC starts off as controlling for the sake of being in control. When Chambara discovers the power that the MC has, she needs to control that power, by further controlling, subjugating even, the MC. She uses the means she has, which are mainly sexual. She probably has a history of using that tactic successfully, but that's pure speculation. If, along the way, she comes to actually care, that is mostly accidental (but interesting, to see what moral dilemmas that can lead to). MC is being strung along, depending on whether you pursue the romance, successfully or not.



As such, the whole dom/sub thing is much more literal here than in a regular relationship, because Chambara has an agenda. This is not (just) for kicks and kinks. It's not a game, it's Chambara gaining control over MC's power through a sex ploy. It's actually very creepy, but then Chambara is just intelligent enough to entice us anyway, because she is good at being genuinely likeable in a smart-alecky way. And the kinks aren't half bad, if you're into that sort of thing.



It will be interesting to see how Chambara treats MC in the sequel if you did not pursue the romance - will she be using other means to gain control, now that sex hasn't worked? After all, her only interest in working with the party seems to be MC.



Anyway, those are my observations and thoughts on the matter, agree or not, that's how I read it. I guess only a couple of people know the real truth. Like I said, I'm very interested to see what happens regarding Chambara, in the sequel.

Nevertheless in the case of Elenor, if you stick with Chambara until the end of the game despite her head games, and read all the text blurbs, I believe it becomes pretty clear that she sincerely does care about Elenor in her own kinky way, and that over time the relationship becomes more equal. That's why I liked the Elenor-Chambara relationship more than the Saren-Chambara relationship.

Well horrible, depends... I don't want to have all "they married, had 10 sons and lived 100 years of joy" endings

I like many different ending, and some of them can be more dark / unhappy than others. And to be honest Saren wouldn't be the first man to lose his mind for a woman

(also, a witch!)

speaking of chambara, where is her sketch? im very anxious to see it