I just noticed that certain outfit combos have some small "art glitches".

For example this weapon/feet/pants combo looks good:

http://i.imgur.com/1RN2DCZ.jpg" style="max-width:100%">



this instead is bad:

http://i.imgur.com/uSlH8I1.jpg" style="max-width:100%">



similarly, this head/top/weapon combo looks very cute (Thalia Robin Hood version!):

http://i.imgur.com/Na33IDY.jpg" style="max-width:100%">



and this clearly bad:

http://i.imgur.com/kTpl1kE.jpg" style="max-width:100%">



now, except for the hair going out from the head in the last image, I don't plan to fix the other mistakes. Not because I don't want of course but because is almost impossible, and a problem of having "paperdolls" images in 2d games.

Why? simple explanation: each character has 5 slots. Four are the armors, with 5 variants each. The fifth is the weapon, with 7 different variants.

Now I'm definitely not a math expert but I believe the total possible combos are: 5 ^ 5 ^ 7 = ehm I don't know but even just using multiplication (which I believe is wrong, hopefully someone can correct me) it would be 5 x 5 x 7 = 175 (but as I said, the real number is much higher I think).



So as you can see it's impossible both for me and for artist to take into account 175 different combos!! For Loren 2 that won't happen since each class has much fewer outfits and weapons (I'm talking about purely cosmetic changes, Loren won't have limited items like this game.. I think!). But for this game I wanted to offer a very high character customization.

Also, even if I took notes of the wrong combo, it would still be actually impossible to fix it, because the code already gives me an headache as it is. Just an example of a character:
[code] image p_Thalia = LiveComposite( (512,1024), (0,0),"gfx/party/thalia.png",
(166,410), ConditionSwitch( "thalia_pants==0", "gfx/blank.png", "thalia_pants==1","gfx/party/thalia_pants1.png", "thalia_pants==2","gfx/party/thalia_pants2.png", "thalia_pants==3","gfx/party/thalia_pants3.png", "thalia_pants==4","gfx/party/thalia_pants4.png", "thalia_pants==5","gfx/party/thalia_pants5.png"),
(188,762), ConditionSwitch( "thalia_feet==0", "gfx/blank.png", "thalia_feet==1","gfx/party/thalia_feet1.png", "thalia_feet==2","gfx/party/thalia_feet2.png", "thalia_feet==3","gfx/party/thalia_feet3.png", "thalia_feet==4","gfx/party/thalia_feet4.png", "thalia_feet==5","gfx/party/thalia_feet5.png", "thalia_feet==99","gfx/party/thalia_socks.png"),
(133,173), ConditionSwitch( "thalia_top==0", "gfx/blank.png", "thalia_top==1","gfx/party/thalia_top1.png", "thalia_top==2","gfx/party/thalia_top2.png", "thalia_top==3","gfx/party/thalia_top3.png", "thalia_top==4","gfx/party/thalia_top4.png", "thalia_top==5","gfx/party/thalia_top5.png"),
(15,131), ConditionSwitch( "thalia_weapon==0", "gfx/blank.png", "thalia_weapon==1","gfx/party/thalia_weapon1.png", "thalia_weapon==2","gfx/party/thalia_weapon2.png", "thalia_weapon==3","gfx/party/thalia_weapon3.png", "thalia_weapon==4","gfx/party/thalia_weapon4.png", "thalia_weapon==5","gfx/party/thalia_weapon5.png", "thalia_weapon==6","gfx/party/thalia_weapon6.png", "thalia_weapon==7","gfx/party/thalia_weapon7.png"),
(235,97), "gfx/party/thalia_normal.png",
(148,0), ConditionSwitch( "thalia_hat==0", "gfx/blank.png", "thalia_hat==1","gfx/party/thalia_hat1.png", "thalia_hat==2","gfx/party/thalia_hat2.png", "thalia_hat==3","gfx/party/thalia_hat3.png", "thalia_hat==4","gfx/party/thalia_hat4.png", "thalia_hat==5","gfx/party/thalia_hat5.png"),
)[/code]
ROFL, as you can see, trying to add even another custom condition would be nuts! And Renpy is actually very good and simple to use...

So unfortunately that is the trade-off of having a super-character customization

So long as it isn't layering issues then I don't see what's wrong. Let people make horrible clashing outfits.

It's exactly layering issues but I guess if people can't notice in the screens above (which are zoomed in) it should be not too bad...

The hair one probably needs fixed but the clipping one isn't too bad.

Yes I'll surely fix the hair since that is too much, but the clipping with some other outfits, in particular pants/shoes is noticeable in Kira's outfit. Anyway, not much can be done about that

I thought you multiply the combinations so 175 is right? Should be easier than balancing all the SotW skill combinations.



I don't think bad fashion is an issue, just the clipping. Also, the leg view has dismembered legs floating in midair which looks kind of weird.

Also, the leg view has dismembered legs floating in midair which looks kind of weird.

That's a clipping because of the viewport. If you look at the full view, the feather on Thalia's hat is clipped at the top. Her body is still there, you just can't see it because of the viewport.

Right, I'm wondering if there's a way to have the picture continue under the bars at the top, but maybe at a faded level so it doesn't interfere too much with the UI.

No Thalia, a diaper doesn't go on the head!

Right, I'm wondering if there's a way to have the picture continue under the bars at the top, but maybe at a faded level so it doesn't interfere too much with the UI.

Yes I can do that, I tried adding a frame with a border around but was looking worse! You can still see the fullbody character, I just zoom in because thought was cool to see



I'm not sure if when you say clipping we mean the same thing. I mean when you combine two layers that leave parts of previous outfit/item visible.

Here's a more noticeable thing with Kira's outfit, the pants cover her foot. But if I try the opposite, it's even worse in another outfit

http://i.imgur.com/6d2SitW.jpg" style="max-width:100%">

zoomed in, is quite bad

http://i.imgur.com/iFkUbUf.jpg" style="max-width:100%">

this is just the feet item:

http://i.imgur.com/VX8BL2g.jpg" style="max-width:100%">

with his own "armor set" of course works fine, but combining it with others... not always good

Yeah I noticed these issues when I was playing with the psd file. I'm not quite sure how to handle it, to be honest. (Other than altering the order of layers on a case by case basis).

Do you have set sizes for the boots? Like if the height for all boots was one of two values and the width at the top was a specific size, maybe you could get away with a short version of the pants for tall boots and a longer full version of pants for the smaller shoes? Seems to be a challenge of matching up certain types of gear at the connection points.



Or you could just let us run around in our underwear, then it won't clip with the boots.

No, also because other shoes aren't boot but normal ones for example

The only real solution as Forsaken said would be "(Other than altering the order of layers on a case by case basis)". But that's a lot of work also "conceptual" because means altering the code I posted above and probably causing a big mess Anyway will try to see if I can do something!

Besides the clipping issue, I don't see why a bow would need knuckle guards in the first place, considering they were never meant to be melee weapons.



I think the boots need to be redesigned as shoes. The shin guards could be part of the pants.