jack1974
Jul 19, 2019
So... rather hilarious to be honest. They shut it down because of "multiple violations".
Some "violations" were showing women with SOME cleavage (not even that much!). Women in BIKINI (which is of course an obscenity!!!) and then a false copyright claim (they were wrong since someone claimed to be the Bionic Heart author haha).
Anyway, today they blocked me, I can't access the developer account anymore. All is gone. I'm not even bothering to get it restored to be honest since it was a mega pain every time I wanted to update something...
On iOS they're still there, not sure for how long/if they will follow the Google censorship madness. But I don't plan to release new games on iOS either.
I'll probably focus on PC only which is a MUCH MORE developer friendly environment than mobile.
Player00013
Jul 19, 2019
Don't all the games have the SFW/NSFW option? Because I don't see the problem with barely dressed women if it can be censored and they also shouldn't first trust someone who says they are the true author of a game and then the publisher, they should have asked for proof and only then inform you about this. I hope you will change your mind because it was always more convenient for me to play these games on the phone, I only noticed today that they aren't on google play anymore because I was recommending them to someone, most people, like me prefer to play VNs on their phones
jack1974
Jul 19, 2019
It's not about changing MY MIND - they BLOCKED ME. I can't do anything! They even warned me to not open another account. If there's someone, it's THEM that should change their mind, so you should complain to them, not me.
The only thing I could do is see if I can get the Android versions on itchio, where I'm sure nobody would censor my stuff like that. But I have more urgent things to do right now like finish PS2...!
Player00013
Jul 19, 2019
I complained to them about it, maybe they will change their mind. I am sorry that things like these happen
jack1974
Jul 19, 2019
Thanks, but sadly I don't think will matter - they're very determined on this front. They use automated software I think, because for example they suspended PSCD and showed a screenshot with the uncensored images - that they NEVER appear on mobile, but are still present inside the app bundle (because on PC you can choose). But still, for them was enough. Nothing worse than censorship done with automated software which are many times wrong.
Player00013
Jul 19, 2019
So because something uncensored is in the game files but doesn't appear in the game they can suspend the game? That's BS
Franka
Jul 19, 2019
Good riddance. They clearly don't want you on their storefront, you've done everything you could to comply with their prudish outlook. I'm sorry you'll miss out on revenue from Google sales, but when they don't want you there in the first place I'd say you've been saved from all the future headaches of dealing with them.
If they're so afraid of the human body, I see a lot of Japanese gacha games they should be cracking down on before pouncing on a small indie dev...
jack1974
Jul 19, 2019
Yes of course I was only "unlucky" to get caught, I'm sure there are other 10000 people doing "worse" stuff than mine but got away... and thinking that all it started only because I wanted to update the old games lol. If I didn't touch them they would be all still there. Anyway if not today, some other day.
I'm thinking what to do about it, but for now I have already a lot of other things to do, like finishing Planet Stronghold 2!
jack1974
Jul 23, 2019
So they rejected my appeal but at least in that email I got some more info. It seems that the dangerous images were from Bionic Heart 1 & 2, and are the ones below:


https://www.winterwolves.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/immagine-3.png" style="max-width:100%">


https://www.winterwolves.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/immagine-4.png" style="max-width:100%">
in summary just to be more precise:
- all the cleavage and bikini were wrong to show in the game page, but were OK (I think?) inside the games
- the last two pictures above instead, they weren't allowed at all in the apps
What happened is that I removed that picture in the game and resubmitted, but I forgot that it was also reused as thumbnail in the "gallery screen" (where you can see achievements and replay scenes). Which means that counted as twice, and probably triggered multiple violations.
At this point if even such tame (for my country/culture) images aren't allowed, at least I understand the ban more, since aren't just cleavage/bikini.
It's probably for the best that I don't do mobile ports, since I would need to strip down the original games so much that would be a lot of extra work! And on the next time I was updating Loren, it would have get banned too since there are similar pictures even in the censored game.
ElsaWhitworth
Nov 15, 2019
Sad about this as most of my time with your games has been on my android tablet but I understand. Hopefully the games I have will continue to run, but given prior android updates I'm afraid they'll break something at some point. Will try to repurchase on PC when I can afford to.
jack1974
Nov 15, 2019
The worst is that I emailed them saying "OK remove the possibility to buy my games, but keep them online for existing users". Of course the answer was "No". They removed them. So if you uninstalled the games there's no way to obtain them again

ElsaWhitworth
Nov 16, 2019
Thankfully all but one are still installed on my tablet. They keep giving warnings about android version but they work for now.
ElsaWhitworth
Nov 17, 2019
Gotta say, all the censorship is silly. I remember when Steam had the big issue with a bunch of VN games pulled and then restored. I just wish Google and Apple would go with the Steam solution of dropping the censorship and maybe they could focus on something useful like eliminating the malware apps in the store.
jack1974
Nov 18, 2019
Under this aspect Steam is 100000 times better. They didn't randomly ban my account, sent a warning, gave me 2 weeks of notice to fix the problems, etc and in the end they solved it in a brilliant way (how it works right now, if is R18 your game doesn't show up regularly in the store).
Google could have copied the system, I and I'd have been able to offer uncensored apps there but of course no...
Alex81
Dec 10, 2019
Quick ...question.
Would it be possible (feasible) for you to host your games elsewhere than on the Play-store?
Some of the Patreon games I support (like daviezwei's) , simply lets you download the APK (application) files from Mega or similar, completely bypassing Google. Otherwise I'm perfectly happy (and prefer) to play my games on computers. (got a tiny Asus eee I can bring along, for playing Ren'py RPG maker games, fairly well)
jack1974
Dec 11, 2019
Yes a solution could be to use itch.io. I started looking into it but it's very time consuming (each game was made to be working on those stores with in-app purchases and so on). I am thinking though to use KS for the first time and do a campaign to finance the port of my games. This way at least I know if it would be worth my time (because otherwise I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be). After I finish PS2, I'll think about it

weaselton
Dec 13, 2019
So I am late to the conversation. I find it all pretty hypocritical of them considering they run FGO, Azur Lane and numerous other fan service games.
jack1974
Dec 13, 2019
Yeah, I got many messages like this about other games too (I don't know them, but I trust what people tell me).